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Pyrop e 02:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC) Reply Ĭould anybody resolve problem of nationality of these teams ? I tried to find it out but I found no convincing evidence of their nationalities. I know how long this table took to compile and I'm not mad keen to delve into that particular can of worms, but if you want to do it then go ahead. I think, if you wanted to do a proper job, you would need to create a second List of non-constructor Formula One entrants, or similar. This is precisely why I dislike the term "team" it doesn't really mean much pre-1980. Similarly, Ecurie Maarsbergen was just Carel Godin de Beaufort. Horschell Racing Corporation was, for example, just Harry Schell, his brother and a mechanic, as was Ecurie Bleue. However, I think to claim that many of them were "teams" is pushing things a bit. Stanza13 ( talk) 01:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC) Reply There are indeed many entrants missing from the list.
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Moeover there are many drivers who entered with their own names as, for example, Peter Whitehead in 1950. There are other many privateer teams, for example: Brands Hatch Racing (in 1980), Horschell Racing Corporation (in 1950), and more. The list of privateer teams is very incomplete. On the other hand, if you're considering how many podium positions they've scored, then the total number of cars entered is perhaps more relevant, since more than one car can score a podium position in a given race. If you're considering the number of pole positions or wins a constructor has scored, then the number of races is perhaps more relevant, since only one of their cars can win or score pole position in a particular race, regardless of how many of their cars are entered. Both numbers can be useful/relevant, depending on the situation. Whatd do people think? Tom pw ( talk) ( review) 12:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC) Reply The fifth column in the table is the number of races the constructor has entered, as opposed to the total number of cars entered. If a team enters two (or more) cars for a race, does this count as one entry? The total entries for Arrow (368) implies yes, but I feel that number of entries should be the (total) number of cars entered.
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My guess is that some of the editors who have contributed to this article over time haven't fully appreciated the distinction between "team/entrant" and "constructor" (a forgivable error, considering that the terms have been effectively synonomous for at least 10 years). I think a few of us (at WP:F1) have probably realised that listing Prodrive in a section labelled "Future constructors" is, strictly speaking, incorrect but haven't bothered to change it, perhaps in the knowledge/expectation that the whole article will probably need an overhaul once "customer chassis" become legal (again) in 2008. On the other hand, doesn't the FIA consider any competitor a 'constructor' while referring to a car designer/builder as a 'make'? Lustigson 15:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Reply You're right of course if Prodrive use someone else's chassis, then they won't be a constructor. That makes Prodrive a competitor, but not a constructor. Dave Richards has admitted he's planning on using some other team's chassis and engine, alledgedly McLaren-Mercedes. The heading for this page does imply that teams planning to enter F1 should be included, so I would think Prodrive should be in, but does anyone have a view on how it should be done - simply as a new team with a brief note in brackets or a footnote maybe? - Jsydave 22:28, (UTC) Reply New section added to the page with the heading "Future Constructors" Jsydave 12:57, (UTC) Reply I wouldn't consider Prodrive a constructor, actually. When Bugatti raced just the only one race in Formula 1 it was a French marque at the time.
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Bugatti was first based in France, than Italy and also once in Germany.